First its the emasculation of the NFL now the same for college football. Slip and fall lawyers and crooked disability attorneys are causing dramatically increased costs to private business and the taxpayers. Some generic drugs are in short supply because of the slim profit margins due to high insurance costs. Doctors who perform complex surgery are constantly in fear of losing all their hard earned assets because of the perverse way that malpractice cases are judged by medically untrained judges and juries.The same goes for disability cases.
Now lawyers are trying to manufacture a problem by trolling on TV looking for drug reactions that havent even been reviewed by the FDA or shown to be legitimate. Those lawyers through a nationwide kickback and extortion scheme are driving the price of drugs up significantly. You want to see a typical example of their morality -look at John Edwards. I would say look at Obama but he has never worked a day in his life doing anything.
The Tort system has become corrupt. Its time to adopt the English system that treats a suit as an assault and those who lose are forced to pay monetary damages to the accused.
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If we are going there. I think poor people are ruining this country.
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LAWYERS are ruining this country...???
Sure thing my man...
- More PRESIDENTS have been lawyers than any other profession
- Lawyers make up the UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT
- Lawyers make up the State and Federal Prosecutors Offices to PROSECUTE CRIMINALS
- Lawyers are the BACKBONE of Legislative ideas, proposals, and lobbying
- Lawyers help protect the PRIVATE INTERESTS of the PEOPLE
If you don't like lawyers, then I HIGHLY RECOMMEND moving to The Middle East, Northern Africa, or North Korea- you won't find many lawyers "ruining the country" there lol...
Our judicial system is flawed, many attorneys are unethical, and the judicial system often falls short of true justice, but lawyers are not "ruining the country".
I never thought I would read a thread which was as equally ignorant as it is entertaining- until now...
Classic!
Prost! (Cheers!)
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Perhaps I should have said SOME lawyers are. I stand by what I said otherwise. Our legal system has become perverse.
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Originally posted by gamineal:
If we are going there. I think poor people are ruining this country.
Do you mean entitled? You are right sir.
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I agree. When hospital's and doctors can maim and kill, and their damages are capped at $100,000.00, there is a problem. When medical device manufacturers can produce defective devices and escape liability because the FDA approved the device - even when the company knew or should have known the device was defective, the justice system is perverse. When big corporations can write arbitration clauses into the fine print of their cell phone contracts making it cost prohibitive to obtain compensation when they unlawfully overcharge milions of people $30 each, there is a problem.
Lawyers aren't ruining this country, they for the most part, are doing everything they can to preserve what few rights consumers still have.
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He has a point. A valid point. Look at the housing situation. Lawyers are delaying foreclosure so that their clients can be squatters in homes and not pay a. Dime for years . Meanwhile the taxpayers are paying the rent. Try moving into an apartment and being 10 days late. By and large lawyers produce nothing but we graduate zillions a year. Meanwhile China graduates 1 million engineers and science majors a year . Bingo they win
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I think he means ambulance chasers. Last year my business did the coaches tour Orlando dinner and despite it being a non profit event some doush bag fell out of one of the extra chairs that we had to rent to accommodate everyone and sued us with bogin muns. All this after he already told our bar tender that just happens to be paramedic along with a physician that just happen to be standing there that he was fine. Oh well I hope screwing over a non profit event for the hurricanes was worth it for about a year long law suit that ended in about a $1000 settlement from our insurance. Every day we have food wast that we'd love to take to the rescue mission right around the corner but not with so many ambulance chasers like that running
around.
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They are a necessary evil and most attorneys practicing civil law are out for the bucks..
I know quite a few and they all laugh about our system ...
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No offense taken.
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What do you mean poor people are ruining this country?
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We need a functional legal system to help control abuse but it has gone too far.
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Originally posted by klbcec:
I agree. When hospital's and doctors can maim and kill, and their damages are capped at $100,000.00, there is a problem. When medical device manufacturers can produce defective devices and escape liability because the FDA approved the device - even when the company knew or should have known the device was defective, the justice system is perverse. When big corporations can write arbitration clauses into the fine print of their cell phone contracts making it cost prohibitive to obtain compensation when they unlawfully overcharge milions of people $30 each, there is a problem.
Lawyers aren't ruining this country, they for the most part, are doing everything they can to preserve what few rights consumers still have.
Maybe you should call a lawyer next time you need an emergency surgery, or fill out a script for a life saving drug, or maybe the attorney can perform a cancer screening. No big deal right?
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I have a friend who is a prominent Disability attorney. I asked her how many cases she litigates are legitimate .She said 50 percent.
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There are good attorneys and bad attorneys; good doctors and bad doctors; good head coaches and bad head coaches; good cops and bad cops; good teachers and bad teachers; good civlians and bad civilians.
No one group of professionals is dragging down this country, so I find it ignorant to argue this group or that group is the primary cause of the country's problems. People from ALL backgrounds, races, religions, genders, and professions made this s**tburger, and now EVERYONE is charged with the responsibility of trying to put the pieces back together. To me, the ability for people from all different walks of life to work together to make this country a better place is the primary foundation for what has made our country the best country for 200+ years.
Ther are over 300,000,000 people in this country, so let's try to be a little more reasonable and responsible by NOT singling out a particular profession.
Prost! (Cheers!)
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(Some) Whiny, histrionic bitches are ruining this country.
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Originally posted by sabrose:
First its the emasculation of the NFL now the same for college football. Slip and fall lawyers and crooked disability attorneys are causing dramatically increased costs to private business and the taxpayers. Some generic drugs are in short supply because of the slim profit margins due to high insurance costs. Doctors who perform complex surgery are constantly in fear of losing all their hard earned assets because of the perverse way that malpractice cases are judged by medically untrained judges and juries.The same goes for disability cases.
Now lawyers are trying to manufacture a problem by trolling on TV looking for drug reactions that havent even been reviewed by the FDA or shown to be legitimate. Those lawyers through a nationwide kickback and extortion scheme are driving the price of drugs up significantly. You want to see a typical example of their morality -look at John Edwards. I would say look at Obama but he has never worked a day in his life doing anything.
The Tort system has become corrupt. Its time to adopt the English system that treats a suit as an assault and those who lose are forced to pay monetary damages to the accused.This post was edited on 5/17 8:22 PM by sabrose
This post was edited on 5/17 9:41 PM by sabrose
After reading this i can only say , Money Post. Quite honestly there is nothing in there to dispute. I could add some other things that are ruining this country but i will bite my tongue.
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ahhh the old the lawyers are ruining everything gag.hahahaha funny stuff...Let's generalize everyone and everything it's so much easier that way...simpletons.
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Originally posted by sabrose:
First its the emasculation of the NFL now the same for college football. Slip and fall lawyers and crooked disability attorneys are causing dramatically increased costs to private business and the taxpayers. Some generic drugs are in short supply because of the slim profit margins due to high insurance costs. Doctors who perform complex surgery are constantly in fear of losing all their hard earned assets because of the perverse way that malpractice cases are judged by medically untrained judges and juries.The same goes for disability cases.
Now lawyers are trying to manufacture a problem by trolling on TV looking for drug reactions that havent even been reviewed by the FDA or shown to be legitimate. Those lawyers through a nationwide kickback and extortion scheme are driving the price of drugs up significantly. You want to see a typical example of their morality -look at John Edwards. I would say look at Obama but he has never worked a day in his life doing anything.
The Tort system has become corrupt. Its time to adopt the English system that treats a suit as an assault and those who lose are forced to pay monetary damages to the accused.
This post was edited on 5/17 8:22 PM by sabrose
This post was edited on 5/17 9:41 PM by sabrose
I am seriously thinking about filing a lawsuit against the OP because his post has me 'mildly irritated'. Do I have a case?
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I understand the criticism towards personal injury attorneys and foreclosure defense attorneys. However, it is important to understand that there are MANY different areas of practicing law.
- State Prosecutor
- Federal Prosecutor
- Public Defender
- Probate
- Transaction
- Insurance Defense
- Commercial Litigation
- Condominium Law
- Personal Injury
- Tax Law
- Elder Law
- Development and Zoning Law
- Medical Malpractice
- Real Estate Law
- Bankrputcy
That's FIFTEEN areas of the law I just reeled off without even thinking... There are probably 5-10 more- so, it is a SHORT-SIGHTED argument to casually "lump" all atorneys into one ball and then conclude that the entire legal profession is dragging down the country. Truth be told, it's silly.
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This topic pisses me off like no other. Tort reform my ass!
When a rich corporatist says 'tort reform' walk away.
The very last bastion of hope common working, middle class folk have is 'their day in court' and it is being taken away? Too many on this board watch too many hours of Fox News.
Vote how you want this year, but do not think for one second tort reform is positive for the 'common people'.
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Originally posted by advarkas:
LAWYERS are ruining this country...???
Sure thing my man...
- More PRESIDENTS have been lawyers than any other profession
- Lawyers make up the UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT
- Lawyers make up the State and Federal Prosecutors Offices to PROSECUTE CRIMINALS
- Lawyers are the BACKBONE of Legislative ideas, proposals, and lobbying
- Lawyers help protect the PRIVATE INTERESTS of the PEOPLE
If you don't like lawyers, then I HIGHLY RECOMMEND moving to The Middle East, Northern Africa, or North Korea- you won't find many lawyers "ruining the country" there lol...
Our judicial system is flawed, many attorneys are unethical, and the judicial system often falls short of true justice, but lawyers are not "ruining the country".
I never thought I would read a thread which was as equally ignorant as it is entertaining- until now...
Classic!
Prost! (Cheers!)This post was edited on 5/17 8:42 PM by advarkas
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Originally posted by sabrose:
First its the emasculation of the NFL now the same for college football. Slip and fall lawyers and crooked disability attorneys are causing dramatically increased costs to private business and the taxpayers. Some generic drugs are in short supply because of the slim profit margins due to high insurance costs. Doctors who perform complex surgery are constantly in fear of losing all their hard earned assets because of the perverse way that malpractice cases are judged by medically untrained judges and juries.The same goes for disability cases.
Now lawyers are trying to manufacture a problem by trolling on TV looking for drug reactions that havent even been reviewed by the FDA or shown to be legitimate. Those lawyers through a nationwide kickback and extortion scheme are driving the price of drugs up significantly. You want to see a typical example of their morality -look at John Edwards. I would say look at Obama but he has never worked a day in his life doing anything.
The Tort system has become corrupt. Its time to adopt the English system that treats a suit as an assault and those who lose are forced to pay monetary damages to the accused.This post was edited on 5/17 8:22 PM by sabrose
This post was edited on 5/17 9:41 PM by sabrose
never worked a day in his life doing anything?? remember the recession?? ever heard of Bin Laden??
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Are you complaining about lawyers who pursue dumb suits or is the problem judges and juries who give outlandish verdicts? Seems to me the lawyers are a mere reflection of the decisions they get in court.
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Originally posted by gamineal:
If we are going there. I think poor people are ruining this country.
too funny....how do we make less poor people??
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What do you mean Obama hasn't done anything? It took Bush 8 years (2000-08) to increase the national debt by 4.3 Trillion and it only took Barak Husein Obama 2 years (2008/10) to increase it by 3.5 trillion! I don't have this years figures yet doggone it. Four more years, four more years, four more years!!! Socialism. Bring it on! I am out of debt, have a garden, and plenty of ammo!
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Sorry to be a lawyer, but, pursuant to "The Rules of the Boards (revised May 2009)," Paragraph #10, "if your subject is not related to THE MIAMI HURRICANES, post it in The Lounge. Don’t complain to us that The Lounge doesn’t have the same audience as the War Room. Make The Lounge interesting."
Goodbye.
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Originally posted by BAMA CANE.:
What do you mean Obama hasn't done anything? It took Bush 8 years (2000-08) to increase the national debt by 4.3 Trillion and it only took Barak Husein Obama 2 years (2008/10) to increase it by 3.5 trillion! I don't have this years figures yet doggone it. Four more years, four more years, four more years!!! Socialism. Bring it on! I am out of debt, have a garden, and plenty of ammo!
not sure what you mean bama, but get the figures on how much these wars (started by Bush) and the epic collapse in the economy (caused by Bush) are still costing us. if you have so much ammo, maybe you should help out the soldiers. it's similar to what we say about Golden having to take over from what Shannon lef or Shannon from what Coker left....sometimes it gets worse because of what you have to start with.
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Shaun, and are still going with Obama who campaigned to stop this. he is a carbon copy of Bush's policies. And buy the way, I am one conservative that does not want to see our men (some of them boys) go over seas to a bunch of heathen ingrates to save their asses. Nuke 'em all, let allah sort them out.
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Originally posted by BAMA CANE.:
Shaun, and are still going with Obama who campaigned to stop this. he is a carbon copy of Bush's policies. And buy the way, I am one conservative that does not want to see our men (some of them boys) go over seas to a bunch of heathen ingrates to save their asses. Nuke 'em all, let allah sort them out.
Extremely politically incorrect.
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We need a no frivolous law suit law like Texas has that says if you sue somebody and they prove their innocence you then have to pay them their attorney costs. It's ridiculous that anybody can sue anybody with out even needing a reason and if you can't afford to defend your innocence for the long haul you end up having to settle out of court for something that could very well have nothing to do with you. Make no mistake about it this is happening all over Florida every day.
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Originally posted by BAMA CANE.:
Shaun, and are still going with Obama who campaigned to stop this. he is a carbon copy of Bush's policies. And buy the way, I am one conservative that does not want to see our men (some of them boys) go over seas to a bunch of heathen ingrates to save their asses. Nuke 'em all, let allah sort them out.
i hear you man. And by no means am i out to make cane brothers my enemies. i am the son of a soldier and went to college on an ROTC scholarship before giving it up to play football. i believe Mitt is a much better copy of Bush than Obama. it's all really messed up and nobody has a overnight fix...no matter what the campaign slogans. i live right outside of DC now and truly believe it is a lose lose situation no matter who is in office, solely based on expectations.
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Unfortunatley Shaun, you are right. A MAJOR, MAJOR, reset is coming. Get out of debt, give your heart to Jesus and that will make a major difference when it does all come down.
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“The end of democracy and the defeat of the American Revolution will occur when government falls into the hands of lending institutions and moneyed incorporations.”
― Thomas Jefferson
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Originally posted by BAMA CANE.:
Unfortunatley Shaun, you are right. A MAJOR, MAJOR, reset is coming. Get out of debt, give your heart to Jesus and that will make a major difference when it does all come down.
well put bro
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Originally posted by advarkas:
LAWYERS are ruining this country...???
Sure thing my man...
- More PRESIDENTS have been lawyers than any other profession
- Lawyers make up the UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT
- Lawyers make up the State and Federal Prosecutors Offices to PROSECUTE CRIMINALS
- Lawyers are the BACKBONE of Legislative ideas, proposals, and lobbying
- Lawyers help protect the PRIVATE INTERESTS of the PEOPLE
If you don't like lawyers, then I HIGHLY RECOMMEND moving to The Middle East, Northern Africa, or North Korea- you won't find many lawyers "ruining the country" there lol...
Our judicial system is flawed, many attorneys are unethical, and the judicial system often falls short of true justice, but lawyers are not "ruining the country".
I never thought I would read a thread which was as equally ignorant as it is entertaining- until now...
Classic!
Prost! (Cheers!)This post was edited on 5/17 8:42 PM by advarkas
Lawyers aren't ruining this country, but all those people you listed who are lawyers are doing a good job of ruining it lol
Politicians and the financial masters they serve anyway.
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Originally posted by hurricaneshaun:
Originally posted by BAMA CANE.:
Shaun, and are still going with Obama who campaigned to stop this. he is a carbon copy of Bush's policies. And buy the way, I am one conservative that does not want to see our men (some of them boys) go over seas to a bunch of heathen ingrates to save their asses. Nuke 'em all, let allah sort them out.
i hear you man. And by no means am i out to make cane brothers my enemies. i am the son of a soldier and went to college on an ROTC scholarship before giving it up to play football. i believe Mitt is a much better copy of Bush than Obama. it's all really messed up and nobody has a overnight fix...no matter what the campaign slogans. i live right outside of DC now and truly believe it is a lose lose situation no matter who is in office, solely based on expectations.
Neither one of them will do most of the stuff they say they will and nor do they even have the ability to do most of the stuff they say they will. I wish we elected leaders as presidents instead of the ones who buckle to every stupid noisy group who do nothing themselves to contribute to society just because they can help them and their cronies fill their pockets.
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i always want to know what people think is the big fix to the problems going on.
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Originally posted by sabrose:
First its the emasculation of the NFL now the same for college football. Slip and fall lawyers and crooked disability attorneys are causing dramatically increased costs to private business and the taxpayers. Some generic drugs are in short supply because of the slim profit margins due to high insurance costs. Doctors who perform complex surgery are constantly in fear of losing all their hard earned assets because of the perverse way that malpractice cases are judged by medically untrained judges and juries.The same goes for disability cases.
Now lawyers are trying to manufacture a problem by trolling on TV looking for drug reactions that havent even been reviewed by the FDA or shown to be legitimate. Those lawyers through a nationwide kickback and extortion scheme are driving the price of drugs up significantly. You want to see a typical example of their morality -look at John Edwards. I would say look at Obama but he has never worked a day in his life doing anything.
The Tort system has become corrupt. Its time to adopt the English system that treats a suit as an assault and those who lose are forced to pay monetary damages to the accused.This post was edited on 5/17 8:22 PM by sabrose
This post was edited on 5/17 9:41 PM by sabrose
Ok...now explain the connection to UM football.
UM
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Originally posted by hurricaneshaun:
i always want to know what people think is the big fix to the problems going on.
There will never be a fix as long as corporations, unions and other interests own the government.
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The connection is the concussion lawsuit against the NFL. 2 of the 36 players were Punters! These players voluntarily chose to play a violent sport and now want to sue that they may have gotten hurt. What about owning up to your personal choice of occupation?
If you dont think CFB is not afraid of the same type of suit and adapting their rules to pussify the sport you got another thing coming.
WHen half the billboards in most major cities are about lawyers you know its time to reign this runaway extortion industry in.
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Originally posted by klbcec:
I agree. When hospital's and doctors can maim and kill, and their damages are capped at $100,000.00, there is a problem. When medical device manufacturers can produce defective devices and escape liability because the FDA approved the device - even when the company knew or should have known the device was defective, the justice system is perverse. When big corporations can write arbitration clauses into the fine print of their cell phone contracts making it cost prohibitive to obtain compensation when they unlawfully overcharge milions of people $30 each, there is a problem.
Lawyers aren't ruining this country, they for the most part, are doing everything they can to preserve what few rights consumers still have.
I agree. Agree with advarkas too.
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As I read once the US has 80% of the world's lawyers and you look at all the unconstitutional laws being written and passed by lawyers in Congress and you get an idea maybe we have too many lawyers in the US. The big problem in the United States today is the lack of morals and greed. And as God is slowly removed from public and private life the decline of this great republic and society accelerates.
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Originally posted by 52CANES:
Originally posted by hurricaneshaun:
i always want to know what people think is the big fix to the problems going on.
This is why i bite my tongue.
There will never be a fix as long as corporations, unions and other interests own the government.
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Many Homeowners have been abused and have legitimate claims against predatory
Lenders!
The Legal profession is an honorable one,however,there are some people who should not be in it!The profession polices and punishes its own,but you must realize,that new Attorneys,fraud schemes are coming into play everyday,thus the process is ongoing.
GO CANES!
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If it wasnt for lawyers, we wouldn't need lawyers.
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Everybody hates lawyers till they need one.
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Originally posted by bunky2:
Many Homeowners have been abused and have legitimate clams against predatory
Lenders!
The Legal profession is an honorable one,however,there are some people who should not be in it!The profession polices and punishes its own,but you must realize,that new Attorneys,fraud schemes are coming into play everyday,thus the process is ongoing.
GO CANES!
+1... And speaking of fraud and predatory lending, you should see some of the predatory lending and cases on the COMMERCIAL side, rather than the residential side... One word- USURY.
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Originally posted by sabrose:
The connection is the concussion lawsuit against the NFL. 2 of the 36 players were Punters! These players voluntarily chose to play a violent sport and now want to sue that they may have gotten hurt. What about owning up to your personal choice of occupation?
If you dont think CFB is not afraid of the same type of suit and adapting their rules to pussify the sport you got another thing coming.
WHen half the billboards in most major cities are about lawyers you know its time to reign this runaway extortion industry in.
I don't believe the UNIVERSITY of Miami will be filing any suit against the NFL, nor will any of their AMATEUR status collegiate players....so nice try, but big fail on the connect absent the relevancy of the topic.
As to "owning" up to my personal choice of occupation...who the fuck are you for me to own up to? Are you a physician with some God complex? A janitor that got a raw deal? Wait...let me guess, you hired an attorney and despite the "no guarantee" clause in the employment contract, got pissy when he didn't win for you?
Tell you what sweetheart....I sleep very well at night. I fight the good fights and when and if I have taken on a plaintiff's case over the years for a corporate client, you can bet your custodial art ass there was not a frivolous aspect of even the Complaint.
That is why I have a general disdain for attorneys, because many do not follow my rules of ethics and morality....but there are a lot of them out there that do...so to broad brush any profession displays ignorance. Congratulations on mastering ignorance in one thread.
UM
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Vilma is suing the NFL with his Lawyer. Vilma = Cane. There you go, glad I could help. Being immoral or shady is not a symptom of being a lawyer, it is the symptom of lawyers being human. There are bad humans in every walk of life and they are the scum of society whether they are a lawyer or police or doctor or drug dealer.
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